sustain, palm muting and volume issues with the at-200
Posted 17 March 2013 - 12:18 AM
This thing sounds pretty awesome clean.
Tuning it is pretty easy to get the hang of.
No detectable lag.
Sustain leaves much to be desired. Pretty much everything suffers as a result... chording, lead, palm mutes.
Distorted guitar doesn't sound the best. I'm hoping that pickup modeling fixes that. I'll see if i can tweak the rest of my setup like amp etc.
Palm muting sounds pretty bad. I think its made worse due to the sustain issue. I have no gates on. Compression might help.. I'll try to tweak. The palm muting thing is kind of a big deal for me since i throw dashes of it here and there in almost everything I play. Sometimes its hard to distinguish between palm muted chord and normal played one. I don't think the piezo's can do the job here.
I'm not sure if this is related to the sustain, but the higher strings are hard to hear when playing chords.
I havent updated it yet. I'm not sure if a 6db volume increase is going to help things out or not.
Anybody having a similar experience?
Posted 18 March 2013 - 03:40 PM
BTW: There is pickup modeling in the AT-200...the default is supposed to be the 'Modern Humbucker'. It sounds about as modern as a 1981 Powersound pickup. If you play high gain rock or metal and do any kind of palm muting...do NOT buy this guitar...you will be incredibly disappointed.
Posted 18 March 2013 - 06:29 PM
Posted 18 March 2013 - 07:24 PM
I'll be quiet if someone at Antares takes the time to prove that their guitar can do heavy rock or metal. In fact, send an AT-200 to Ola Englund and see if he can make it sound good (<---as he understands what it takes to make real metal riffs and tones). By the way, plam-muting and heavy playing has been the norm since the 70's in the rock/metal world and the ability to do these techniques should be possible on any guitar with a modern humbucker. If you play the Antares software thru a clean amp you will really have no idea what we are talking about...this only applies to high-gain amps and the performance of the pickup model employeed in this manner. I think the AT-200 sounds pretty good if you are going for a clean (although bland) sound. I currently own over 24 guitars and the modeled pickup in the AT-200 sounds the worst of all of them put together (in fact, the neck pickup model is so bad that I can't imagine ever using it for anything). I am hoping that they get better with their modeling and that they offer packs that aren't so expensive.
Posted 19 March 2013 - 04:27 PM
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Posted 03 April 2013 - 04:25 PM
Is there a possibility that you are hearing the acoustic sound of the strings along with the signal coming from your amp? If you don't have the amp volume turned up loud enough (We are not talking blasting here...), there is good chance that you are hearing both the natural sound of the strings and the amp, which can sound like peculiar harmony. Be sure that your amp is up loud enough to where you cannot hear the acoustic sound of the guitar and see what happens.
Posted 09 April 2013 - 01:43 AM
any tips on making the palm muting sound any better? in its current state its unplayable for what i want to do with it.
Posted 18 April 2013 - 10:05 PM
BTW: I dropped the price of my AT-200 on craigslist to $250 and still NO TAKERS. I think that people have realized that it is what it is...but no way am I going to drop another nickel into updating this guitar when I am probably going to end up giving it away for less than $200. This should really be of concern to anyone who purchased the AT-200 for $499 (+tax, shipping...etc) and then sunk over $300 buying the right hardware to upgrade the software pack. Guess what...you will probably have the same luck that I am trying to sell this thing. Nobody wants a cheap guitar with gimmick software installed that runs on batteries.
Posted 19 April 2013 - 12:14 PM
Oh and one more thing, the right hardware to upgrade the guitar cost me a total of $40 at the local guitar shop : it's just a midi Y cable ($10) and a MIDI sport 1X1 (USB to MIDI converter) ($30) that work like a charm. I have no idea how you ended up paying $300 to get your MIDI connection working... Seems a bit exessive...
And if you buy a guitar that upadtes thru MIDI, it is expected that you should buy with it some sort of MIDI adapter. This is not a hidden cost, just as buying a guitar jack to plug your guitar into an amp is not a hidden cost... Or buying guitar strings every month... Or buying picks...
Hope this helps :-)
Posted 20 April 2013 - 02:15 PM
In my post above I meant to state that it would be over $300 to purchase the hardware AND the software pack to upgrade the guitar (since the software packs top out at $299). Maybe it was just a reading comprehension problem but I also I also stated that it would be of concern for anyone who did spend $$ on the software and hardware to upgrade this guitar...I did not upgrade and will not. It also sucks for me since I do not have a windows computer and feel awkward asking a friend to "borrow" their computer to update my guitar. I looked into have a virtual version of windows on my Mac but it's going to cost me a bunch of cash just to do that and why screw up a perfectly good Mac? Remember the good ol days when Macs were THE computer to use for anything audio or video related. I guess Antares didn't get that memo.
You also stated that it's just a MIDI Y cable...well nobody sells them at any of the local music stores and to have one shipped the cheapest Antares approved Y cable I could find was $24 with shipping (because if you use a non-Antares approved Y cable it would be your fault why the upgrade didn't work). Would love you to provide a link to the company that sells a $10 MIDI cable. Also remember that I might live in Australia and having anything shipped to Australia is incredibly expensive. BTW: Since you make it out like it is so simple and are so good at upgrading AT-200 guitars, how did you get the Midisport to work without buying barrell connectors? Seems as if you are trying to downplay what it actually takes to make this guitar work. Have you not been reading all of the post regarding others having issues, other forums with unhappy users with software and hardware problems and facebook pages with the same? Since you just joined the forum and this is your first post and you are SO knowledgeable about everything Antares...you must work for Antares...right?
If Antares actually cared about their customers they would have reached out to me when I asked them to over 2 months ago but at this point they have not. They are simply a company with a cool idea, bad customer service, incredibly expensive software, an archaic upgrade method and a bunch of unhappy customers.
;-) right back atcha 60
Posted 20 April 2013 - 02:39 PM
This is a low end guitar with plastic nut and cheap pickups, all of which I anticipated and plan to replace when I setup the guitar.
A buffalo shin bone nut will improve the sound this guitar produces, a ton, as will better pickups (although the pickups aren't used via the DPS and Antares software).
The reason I will replace the pickups is that I plan to practice with the guitar, playing on it's own with Antares turned off.
As is, it plays OK but, as all new guitars do, it still requires a proper setup! Wood changes and coming from China (boat or plane?) will effect the wood in unpredictable ways.
I was impressed that they had intonated the guitar's bridge and that the strings were properly set for it's 12" radius bridge.
For me, there was more neck relief than I like and the string action was too high (80 thousandths) but all of this is easily adjustable.
I particularly like the feel of the guitar when I'm playing it but I will use a 1200 grit sanding sponge to take the gloss off of the back of the neck which will make it much more playable.
I look forward to the arrival of my Y-midi adapter cable so that I can load the extra Antares software models into my newest guitar.
BTW The chorusing also goes away when using a good set of headphones! That's the way I record, anyway.
The above changes will bring my $407 AT200, along with $300 of Antares software and $100 worth of hardware, to a level equal to the Roland Strat or Gibson X models for less than half the cost!
Posted 22 April 2013 - 02:33 AM
yeah i am still wondering about this.
Posted 26 April 2013 - 01:59 PM
Since no tips have been offered by any representative of Antares...I have a tip on how to make the palm muting sound better...shut off the autotune and just use the guitar like a regular guitar. Sounds and performs 1000X better.
Posted 05 June 2013 - 01:18 AM
It didn't do what it was supposed to do...bottom line.
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